[sykl0ps]

It seems like there is a lot of hysteria and loud voices over what is just a Video. It looks more like proof of concept then a ready to release utility. So he is showing people what can be done, and that he's done it.

I'm sure a released utility could easily be made to have this a one step process and mimic the way Nintendo handles their own updates. Nintendo's updater may even work the same way, there's been pleny of firmware updaters that I have seen go through a deleteing/clearing the memory before writing the new. I am not sure how Nintendo handles their updates but perhaps its just as dangerous, maybe more so if updating from a DVD, all you need is some weird disc read error during the flash (I'd hope that they read the data before starting).

Also, as people have said, there's no need for people to use this right now. So why would anyone? I know untill there's a need to do this I wouldn't use it, so I guess that makes me safe. I wouldn't of thought people would just start downgrading for the fun of it.

[dudecherishurwii]

so I took one for the team...
I wanted to see if the homebrew elites who claim to know everything really knew what they were talking about

I have 3 wiis (WHOO-HOO!)

so I used one of them...ran some logic calls, yadayada
and did step one of the process that they said was "super-brick dangerous"
I removed the system menu....then just pulled the plug on my wii.

discoveries made:

powered up the wii....it did the fading "wii Blocks" screen...faded to black
nothing happened, no more menu access....blah

-put a disc in while still on (official ZTP) nothing happened

-restarted with disc in....disc booted...but couldnt detect my controllers

hmmm.....not what id call a full brick

tried something else

burnt disc...(no chip in this wii btw).....booted!...couldnt detect my controllers

hmmmm

burnt wad installer in second partition....had system menu wad on sd card.....installed no problem with use of GC controller, which obviously was unaffected by system menu removal

wii booted back up fine, no longer accepts either burnt disc as valid.

so.....very interesting....looks like a lotta people pointing fingers arent so correct about everything.

have fun....dont try it if youve only got one wii.

[jeffc313]

Originally Posted by dudecherishurwii

so I took one for the team...
I wanted to see if the homebrew elites who claim to know everything really knew what they were talking about

I have 3 wiis (WHOO-HOO!)

so I used one of them...ran some logic calls, yadayada
and did step one of the process that they said was "super-brick dangerous"
I removed the system menu....then just pulled the plug on my wii.

discoveries made:

powered up the wii....it did the fading "wii Blocks" screen...faded to black
nothing happened, no more menu access....blah

-put a disc in while still on (official ZTP) nothing happened

-restarted with disc in....disc booted...but couldnt detect my controllers

hmmm.....not what id call a full brick

tried something else

burnt disc...(no chip in this wii btw).....booted!...couldnt detect my controllers

hmmmm

burnt wad installer in second partition....had system menu wad on sd card.....installed no problem with use of GC controller, which obviously was unaffected by system menu removal

wii booted back up fine, no longer accepts either burnt disc as valid.

so.....very interesting....looks like a lotta people pointing fingers arent so correct about everything.

have fun....dont try it if youve only got one wii.

if you wouldn't mind, you mind redoing and making a video of it?

[riku98523]

I didn't mean you where the fan boy :P

There might not be a reason for a downgrader yet but at least we now see that there could be one if we ever need it. And if we ever do need guess who will be the only person to release it for us thats right Wanikoko. Also he wouldn't just release it in its beta form (well he might but he will at least work on it and get it out of beta so that its not as dangerous) In the end if we ever need a downgrader guess who will be the only person willing to release one thats Wanikoko and if you need to use one then you are going to use his because no body else will release it.

[ccfman2004]

Updating the system software, whether officially through nintnedo or unofficially through the WAD installer carries risk.

For ex:
You buy a game that has an updated system menu, you start installing it, your power goes out during installation.

Depending on what stage of installation you were at when updating, your Wii could be bricked.

I know of at least one instance where a wii was bricked during an official system update. Of course Nintendo replaced this person's Wii quickly.


Updating period is dangerous.

It does not matter how you update, you could still brick your Wii.

In my opinion, Nintendo was stupid not have a method of recovery should something go wrong and believe me, things can and will go wrong.

I know of someone PSP turning off during an official update and it got bricked.

[mushbert]

bravo dudecherishurwii for a useless and dangerous demonstration! most informational post in this entire thread.

[ccfman2004]

It looks like the System Menu is responsible for disc authentication.

This info could be useful for custom system software, should that ever happen.

With this info, eventually we may not have the need for modchips to play backups.

I would leave it to the pro wii hackers to figure out how to disable the disc check in the system menu and do it safely.

[Slowking]

Originally Posted by ccfman2004

It looks like the System Menu is responsible for disc authentication.

I really dind't want to say anything else in this thread, as people are constantly talking about things they know nothing about (I don't say that I know all there is to know about the Wii, but at least I try to keep up with things that are posted on hackmii or wiibrew and don't just talk out of my ass.)

So let me set a few things straight, once and for all:

No the System Menue doesn't authenticate discs. The DVD-drive does. Otherwise drivechips wouldn't be possible.

All the things you guys want from a custom firmware can't be done by a custom firmware. At least not the firmware you all mean.
IOS (the Starletts firmware) controlls all the hardware and authentication.

- If trucha is eventually patched, it will be patched in the IOS, since Starlett does all the authentication. So we would need a custom IOS, NOT A CUSTOM FIRMWARE!

- If USB 2.0 is supported by the hardware it can only be enabled through a custom IOS, since Starlett controlls all the hardware, NOT A CUSTOM FIRMWARE!

- If the drive is patchable through software, it's currently prevented through the IOS. So we would need a custom IOS, NOT A CUSTOM FIRMWARE!

-.-

[ccfman2004]

Originally Posted by Slowking

[b]No the System Menue doesn't authenticate discs. The DVD-drive does. Otherwise drivechips wouldn't be possible.

Then why would a backup boot when there was no system menu in dudecherishurwii's test when a mod chip was not installed?

[Overture]

Possibly the drive said - "Hey, this isn't legit", and the wii said "Well, there's nothing here telling me not to run it, so I'm going to run it.

When you have a drive chip it says to the OS "Hey, this is legit" and the system menu says "Cool, I'm going to run it.

Conclusion? Possibly a way around the need for a drivechip?


Merely a postulation.