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Stupid move.
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Before you start throwing names around you might want to edit previous posts using the abbreviation ISO where IOS should be placed. Pretty big difference.

I'm all for what Bushing is trying to do. Obviously, he's never going to cut and paste his conversations with Nintendo. Hopefully, though, when all is said and done he will provide some insight into how they reacted and dealt with him. It's not every day that this kind of contact occurs.
Meh a typo either way the reason I said morons is because I had already answered the whole brickblocker question then someone asks it again.
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Erm, why? All bushing is doing is giving a show of good faith in the hopes that nintendo will reciprocate by leaving us alone. Even if they don't, at least bushing will have nipped waninkoko's app in the bud.

If you want to play backups on your wii then you should be made to open it up and install a chip, losing your warranty.
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Meh a typo either way the reason I said morons is because I had already answered the whole brickblocker question then someone asks it again.
uhhh.... you replied to the same post and noone asked again between your posts dude.... take a chill pill
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Erm, why? All bushing is doing is giving a show of good faith in the hopes that nintendo will reciprocate by leaving us alone. Even if they don't, at least bushing will have nipped waninkoko's app in the bud.

If you want to play backups on your wii then you should be made to open it up and install a chip, losing your warranty.
1. Those are the key words.. that's all he has.. hope.
2. People who want to use waninkoko's app.. just won't update their Wii
3. Installing a custom firmware would still void the warranty..
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I assume this exploit purely enables booting/reading of games from burned media, but leaves the signature check intact. This would make it useless for homebrew (with the latest updates) but enable piracy. Perhaps he's found an overflow or string format attack in the way the disc header is parsed.

Bushing is playing it like a white hat. Nothing wrong with that, and it's a good way to pad your resume too.

What's unclear is what he plans to do if Nintendo fails to act. Most security-focused white hats will give a deadline, and reveal the vulnerability after that, in hopes of lighting a fire under the vendor. But since Bushing is against warez and this isn't a security threat to users I doubt he'll ever disclose it.

I doubt Bushing really expects a gold age of co-operation between Nintendo and homebrew hackers. He's just pushing the buttons to see what will happen, like any good hacker would.

When it comes down to money, Nintendo will protect it's interests. Squashing homebrew is in it's interests...
  • A popular homebrew title competes for our minds and hearts, against all of the shovelware titles.
  • Emulators enable free playing of old games that Nintendo is selling to it's customers right now - even when an emulated system isn't on the VC, emulation weakens Nintendo's ability to pitch a future deal with the IP owner.
  • Even when you play an emulation of a system who's IP owner has vanished, see the first point.

There are financial reasons why Nintendo locked down it's console. They aren't about to change their minds when they're making money hand over fist.

Last point - to those that are saying that you should need a modchip to run backups, you're on a convenient-but-slippery logic slope. With most of the same arguments, one could easily argue against backups entirely.

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wow. the hackers are now doing the security engineer's job.

so does ninty get all of this hard work for free?
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It's not that new a concept. It's not Microsoft empolyees finding the majority of Windows exploits either.

They get it all for free if Bushing decides to give it away. I wouldn't do it - I think it's misplaced, because the patch doesn't help the community, like a vulnerability patch on a PC program would,

but it's his hack, so it's his call.
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He's probably hoping for a pretty nice job offer from nintendo.
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This technik to play backup without chip is not new.
Last year at the biggest Hack conferance in germany they have demonstrate that it was possible to do that. You have video on youtube to show that.

Hackers know how to do that since several months, but nobody talk about that and provide tools to do that.

Strange ...

It should be more a joke that a reality, because with all papers read yet about this hole, if it was possible to use it easily, it will be published since several months yet.

Too much groups have the solution but nobody have used it.
Too strange ...

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