[masterDAVID]

EDIT FROM WIINEWZ STAFF: We deeply regret that the makers of Argon2 have used our forum to post this thread. These issues need to be resolved between Argon2/Waninkoko and Team Twiizers. The views expressed by "masterDAVID" and the Argon2 Team in no way represent those of WiiNewz.

Like everyone has notice MARCAN is acting like a GOD...
He is the only one having the KEY to install homebrew software on 3.4 firmware with a new Exploit. Obviously he doesn't want to share because he likes to have the POWER.
Whenever someone decide not to share whatever notice or software or other in the homebrew scene, automatically wants to take advantages in every possible way.

MARCAN pretends to obtain the COPYRIGHT on a SYSTEM HACKING. I think it is the first time this is happening in the world.
If he didn't want his HACK to be used, he should has kept it for himself instead of rendering it to the public on the net, or MARCAN prefers to be the unique person to decide WHO could develop something on the WII HOMEBREW?

ARGON2 is a MODCHIP and it is addressed to whoever need a MODCHIP, not for sure to WHO know and use the HOMEBREW resource, that are free and works without any modchip.
This is clearly described on the ARGONCHANNEL website.

ARGON2 gives a FREE SERVICE to his customers, moreover it allows everyone to download, install in a fast and simple way many HOMEBREW applications.
All this advantages, is to present these fantastic applications on the market.

What's wrong about this?

We shall dimostrate to GOD MARCAN even without his help, it will be possible to DEVELOP NEW APPLICATIONS and give a FREE SERVICES to our customers; who will be VERY HAPPY using the FREE SOFTWARE. Anyway having the possibility to choose between OUR FREE SYSTEM and the HACKERCHANNEL SYSTEM for EVER.

Technical Infos:
ARGONCHANNEL recieves updates directly from our website and install them like CHANNEL inside the WII.

HACKERCHANNEL doesn't recieve any automatic updates, the SD CARD is needed and the software doesn't use the CHANNEL format.

There are two types of systems, I cannot point out which one is better or not, they are simply two different concepts.

I hope now our position is clearer.

[roy_newell]

This is obviously a rant going on from some other thread, don't start a new thread for this. If you have a problem with Marcan, take it up with him or just reply to whatever comment has made you spill all this but don't create a new thread just to bash the guy

[masterDAVID]

Ok no problem... if xianiax want could move these thread...

[GizmoTheGreen]

Marcan isn't a god, he has principles and he stands by them.
Now argon2 isn't giving away free software, they are giving the software as a bonus to you BUYING their CHIP.

in fact, they could give this away without the chip, as it's based entirely on software, except it won't let you install ARGON CHANNEL if you don't have their chip.

HOMEBREW channel is free, and installs almost the same way as ARGON channel, with the help of TP hack.

now ARGON distributes the TP hack, which they aren't allowed to
(the makers of TP hack decides that, they have a license on it you know).
and the Twiizers team isn't only Marcan, they are several persons.

Not only is ARGON distributing the IOS16 illegally, they also install stuff on the
NAND, which wastes space for saves and bought virtual console or wiiware.

This is why the HOMEBREW channel uses the SD, which allows for easy management, and if you want to always have the latest apps, there is the Homebrew Browser.

The homebrew channel in itself does have an online update function.

Not to say the Channel banners for the ARGON channels are stolen from nintendo, only edited to have different images and a tiny change in animation
(still visible in banner file it's nintendos)

The whole point of HOMEBREW channel is to be able to use the FREELY availebla software, without irritating nintendo, by breaking as few laws as possible, and even better, none.

ARGON however does, they break multiple laws, and steals multiple times, not to mention they steal the FREE software to give it away again.

HOMEBREW channel doesn't break any laws, it only voids the warranty.

Homebrew channel = right, perfect, love.
ARGON = Epic Fail.

Why you shouldn't endorse ARGON2 + ARGON channel:

A 5 year old could install Homebrew channel, he doesn't have to pay shit.

You need money to buy their god damn chip, and you need the skills to install it, only to get a channel, to use software, freely available by other, totally software based means.

They are making you buy a chip that does nothing, congratulations.
If you mean to say it does, it's close to what DRM is, it makes you able to use their PAYED channel instead of the FREE homebrew channel.

[robertfisk]

to that Argon person : Sell your modchip then , and stay away from things that dont concern you . But you are scared are you not ? Scared because people have software loaders now , and dont need your chips anymore ? Loosing buisness , poor sods ... Thats the only reason you have invented this scam , because you need to make people think they still need your chip...

Marcan is no God at all , he just tries to keep the lid on illegalities in the homebrew community...


Sony started a lawsuit against Datel a few days ago , because of their blue battery(based on sonycode and homebrew code).Sony , like nintendo ,has done nothing to individuals in the HB community,they only sued Datel because its a commercial product based on Sonys copyrighted code. I can only hope Nintendo will do the same with you since you use way more copyrighted code than Datel does in their battery.

[masterDAVID]

OOOKkk nice relation...

Only few notes:

1- TWILIGHT HACK bypass DRM protections - not legal to see DCMA
2- Thanx TWILIGHT is possible to install a SOFTWARE MOD that allow pirated games to function... NO TWILIGHT = NO CIOS = SOFTWARE MOD
3- Loading a code on IOS NINTENDO is not allowed without an agreement. This is clearly defined in the nintendo licence rules and regulations. Probably you did not pay attention..

TWILIGHT, HACKERCHANNEL, ARGONCHANNEL can demostrate that CLOSING a system and using the DCMA to build a "monopoly" is not possible...
So, because the BIG "N" closed his system, that is why we are allowed to open it... FINISH.

[robertfisk]

Originally Posted by masterDAVID

OOOKkk nice relation...

Only few notes:

1- TWILIGHT HACK bypass DRM protections - not legal to see DCMA
2- Thanx TWILIGHT is possible to install a SOFTWARE MOD that allow pirated games to function... NO TWILIGHT = NO CIOS = SOFTWARE MOD
3- Loading a code on IOS NINTENDO is not allowed without an agreement. This is clearly defined in the nintendo licence rules and regulations. Probably you did not pay attention..

TWILIGHT, HACKERCHANNEL, ARGONCHANNEL can demostrate that CLOSING a system and using the DCMA to build a "monopoly" is not possible...
So, because the BIG "N" closed his system, that is why we are allowed to open it... FINISH.

No ,you misunderstand on purpose .
Anyone can find exploits in their closed systems and give them to whomever they want for free . Nothing illegal there .. IF YOU TRY TO MAKE MONEY ON A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT that is only available because of individual , private homebrew coders effort ,you will piss them off ,because no one was ever supposed to make money on it. Its a community of people who are interested in running CUSTOM code on closed consoles , not recycled Nintendo code and IOS 16 from pinkfish disk .. That is just your scam to make people think they need your product... everything in your product can be installed for free on any wii , without the need for IOS 16 and stolen banners .Just a tiny bit of knowledge about homebrew is needed .. and you know it , and it scares you and makes me smile
Money money money

[wiimodder69]

WHOAH......DAMAGE CONTROL. I dont know any of you guys, dont follow the software scene word for word.. Dont know if i like any of ya!!lol

I can tell you one thing, Mod chips need to appeal to the modders/general public to be successful...Yer sure doing a piss poor job at accomplishing that.. Blasting Marcan here??? only furthur adds to the chips demise....

I mean why should I use aragon2???...There are many......many others to choose from. others that dont use sombody elses software to install their own..

It would have been fine if aragon channel had released to everyone, not as locked to chip software.. then and only then it would have been accepted as another viable option to homebrew.. Instead they make it exclusive... well no wonder people are pissed..

[masterDAVID]

Unbelivable "robertfisk"

"Well , xainiax , you burned all your bridges in the homebrew community now , Hope those few dollars the argon guys gave you was worth it ."

Seams that we are under HITLER period... threaten ...

Sure xianiax is intelligent and don't belive in "censorship".

Unbelivable how are all crazy, for a simple UPDATE CHANNEL "service"...

I suggest to invest time to "code" new application than vast your time here on ARGON2... sure is more usefull...

[masterDAVID]

To "wiimodder69"

we repeat this 100000 times until now...

Our channel is a SERVICE that give UPDATES contents to customers FOR FREEE!!!

ARGON2 COST = D2PRO = SAME PRICE
ARGON2 HAS ARGONCHANNEL FOR FREE
SO WE DON'T SELL NOTHING HERE

ON WWW.ARGONCHANNEL.COM ALL CAN READ THAT IS POSSIBLE TO DO THE SAME FOR FREE!!! WITH HACKERCHANNEL...
DO YOU WANT THAT WE PUT "HACKERCHANNEL" ON ARGONCHANNEL APPLICATION LIST??? FOR ME IS OK!!

DO YOU WANT WE ARE MORE EXPLICIT??? PLS. PROVIDE US SOME SUGGESTION TO DO THAT!

People that USE HACKERCHANNEL sure don't buy a MODCHIP... or better WHO WANT TO PLAY "HOMEBREW" SURE FIND ON THE NET ALL WHAT NEED TO DO THAT FOR FREE.

We want only to give a SERVICE to our customers that aren't SUPER CODER or HACKER like the HACKMII comunity... or simple haven't time to spend in searching new applications...